Know what other events spawned from this train of thought?

The Crusades and Terrorists.

Are you a terrorist Lumi?

I don't lump it with religion, I was simply assuming that perhaps you do as I believe I stated quite clearly. I do agree that we seem to have a fundamental disconnect, but I think it has more to do with your own self righteousness then anything else. It seems ironic to me that you argue with Lumie so fervently about how he is not open minded enough, yet you yourself hold beliefs that you feel are so absolutely correct that it is pointless to even discuss them. Oh well, to each his own eh?

Lumie I notice you didn't take my bet, not so confident after all huh?

so to concisely summarise the last couple of pages :

1) Lumi says that the bible has been mis interpreted, its human error
2) Lumi says that the bible talks about angels driving submarines and stuff like that
3) Lumi says that its obvious and that anyone that doesnt agree with him (and his mis interpretation) is :
- stupid
- foolish
- ignorant
- going to hell
4) Lumi says that taking drugs and gambling is perfectly ok, the bible doesnt have a problem with that.

This is boring. The same exact thing happened when Lumi read some stupid 9/11 conspiracy site. He just started quoting the site written by a like-minded idiot and treated it as gospel.

Soon enough, he'll find some site that clearly shows Buddhism is the truth and he'll be spouting Buddhist propaganda and calling anyone who disagrees ignorant.


Anyway Lumi, you're an idiot. You say that interpretation of the Bible is why people don't believe it, right? There are a couple of problems here - first being that the Bible wasn't written in English, so even that translation is little more than interpretation. Second, that site's interpretation is not only based off of one of many English translations, but the writer guesses as to how those passages could relate to modern technology.

So then perhaps you can explain how else two cities can be wiped off the face of the earth without the use of nuclear weapons during a time when supposedly no such technology existed.

some things just disappear. But by disappear, I don't mean disappear, but only leave humanity's perception. Did you notice that Troy looked like it disappeared? It was completely wiped of the earth's surface. But then again...it wasn't. Mankind just didn't see it. You don't need miracles to make things disppear. you only need distraction.

Finnster

How was Pompeii wiped off the face of the earth? It sure didn't have anything to do with nuclear technology.

I'm not suggesting a volcano destroyed the two cities, but again it comes down to interpretation. Maybe whatever local resources that made those cities what they were dried up and the cities died an economic death and fell into ruin. Maybe they were swallowed by the earth because of a major tectonic shift. Maybe they were destroyed by a tidal wave or a hurricane. Maybe it was a nuke. There are a million and one explanations and interpretations for something as utterly vague as a city "disappearing".

Your problem is that you're TRYING to explain things like events described in the Bible. The whole idea of religion is faith, and faith wouldn't be necessary if there was concrete, indisputable evidence one way or another. Faith implies that you believe despite the fact that there are unknowns. Some people have faith in Christianity, some in other religions, and yet others have faith in science. None of them can explain it all. All of them leave unknowns.

You are confusing the issue. One side is based solely upon faith. The other is driven by empirical evidence.

If you have to think less of me to get through the day then by all means. enjoy. It is actually quite difficult to think of something I care less about.

God was here. I feel so safe knowing he loves me.

I'm well aware of the differences between politics and religion. I assumed maybe you found one as irritating as other, was just a theory of mine. I don't think less of you or more of you, we've never really been on good terms and I wasn't expecting anything new. But I was never intending to make the issue into some kind of personal feud, if thats how you saw it you are/were incorrect. Anyways I think this conversation is over lets just leave it at that.