Let me ask you one thing Lumie, I dont want any fucking quotes from any websites, or any bullshit theories. If I wrote on a piece of paper that I walked on water, then dug a grave for my paper, buried it, and someone dug it up 2000 years from now, would I be Jesus?

this man worked miracles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroaster

as did this guy (his story is a lot like haysoos', and they were contemporaries. Anyone smell the good ol-fashioned plagiarism?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana

oh and look, someone even has a neat cheat sheet with a few bona-fide miracle workers:

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~dfalk/cour ... racles.htm

The Genesis story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is not a mystery when you plug in the idea of a modern technology. How do two cities, realistically, get wiped off the face of the Earth? The inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki may know the answer. Two, human angels came into town and warned people of the coming destruction:

19/17: '...Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.'
19/24: 'Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.'
19/26: 'But his wife looked back from behind, and she became a pillar of salt.'
19/28: '...the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.'
19/30: '...he (Lot) feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.'

The angels directed Lot and his family to save their lives by running to the mountain. A land mass can protect one from a nuclear blast. The cities were 'consumed' with 'brimstone and fire.' This is a perfect description of a nuking. A mushroom cloud moving vertically could be the meaning of 'went up as the smoke of a furnace.' Lot's wife did not make it; not because she looked back, but because she trailed 'behind' the rest of her family. A primitive seeing an atomic explosion would be more than stunned; they would tend to stop in their tracks. Not looking back is good advice to those running for their lives. The 'pillar of salt' could have come from finding her body later and discovering the effects of radiation. Finally, hiding in a 'cave' because of the fall-out until the land was ready for habitation is very logical.

I think Lums is better than Jesus. His obvious faults makes him so real as to where you'd want to reach out and hug him and keep him locked up in your basement. Jesus on the other hand is like a lying politician, hiding behind a false facade of perfection, while spending your money on male prostitutes.

A person with this marker would be either confused or offended by most anything I would be interested in discussing

There is absolutely no evidence within those lines of text for "advanced technology." His interpretation is based on relating the descriptions used in past literature to those of a completely separate, more modern day event. Drawing such ridiculous conclusions through the interpretation is illogical. Studying literature and drawing comparisons to more modern events for the sake of possibly relating to the original texts is not.

Yet, making claims that it is evidence for some greater understanding of future technology is ridiculous. If they understood nuclear physics then why would one use such non-related and non-specific words to describe the events? It's not that confusing Lumie, it really isn't, because they had no fucking idea what a nuclear bomb was nor did they understand any of the modern day technology. They are telling a story and it just so happens you or someone else wish to take the words out of context and give it some falsely concluded greater significance.

Star Of Bethlehem
You know what a star looks like, right? You also know what airplane lights look like, right? I'm assuming all of you could easily answer yes to both questions. Now think about this: What if you knew what stars looked like but didn't know what an airplane was? What would you call the airplane lights?
Ok, I'm going to play the part of the person who doesn't know what an airplane is. Now, if I were to tell you that last night I saw a set of flashing stars that moved across the sky, what would you say? Would you agree that they were stars, or would you tell me that I really saw an airplane?

With this in mind, look at the following passages. Remember, the wise men knew what stars were, but probably didn't know what UFOs were:


Matthew 2: 9-11 (NIV)
After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh.

We all know that stars don't move across the sky and hover over a particular house, don't we? If I'm wrong about that, I hope there's an astronomer out there who will let me know. So what was it that the wise men saw hovering over that house? Could it be the first UFO recorded in association with the life of Christ?

Shepherds And Angels
Before the wise men followed the Star of Bethlehem, we have this account of a strange encounter:

Luke 2: 8-15 (NIV)
And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests." When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about."

Wow, it must have been quite a sight. Were these angels accompanied by UFOs? Maybe that's what is meant when it says they went "into heaven." And it could account for the amazing amount of light that they reported.

Lolz? You thought I would say lolz? Wow, give me some credit, sheesh. I think you missed my point. Most people have erroneous beliefs about a lot of things which is basically akin to religion in your mind I would assume. Your saying you dislike religious people because they believe in something you don't believe in, do you also dislike anyone whose not from your political party or has differing views on any political issue you consider important? Or do you dislike people just for having a different opinion in general about something? And just what views do you yourself hold that makes you so arrogant toward differing opinions? Personally I've met plenty of religious people that were quite intelligent and educated, so I don't understand your viewpoint.


What topics would you be talking about? Something that you know would be morally wrong to a religious individual, or science perhaps?

Nabban... I would be HONORED if you would consider me a candidate for friendship. Thanks sir.